Hip & Elbow scored under general aesthetic @ 1 year & 8 months of age total
BVA Hip score total: 10
BVA Elbow score total: 0
PD gene: Clear
Bronze KC & Silver KC Good citizen holder
Ulla will work for a ball or a treat
At 5 1/2 months of age she could complete the tasks included in the gold good citizen test.
She was seen
by an obedience judge who saw her being put through her paces in a car park as
we awaited our puppy socialisation class, and he predicted that if we competed
that we should win very easily out of the first 3 levels in obedience classes,
and with a bit of work we could be on our way for tackling the 4thlevel. However unfortunately our weekends were already taken up with confirmation shows.
14 x 1st place winner
4 x Best Puppy in Breed winner
1 x Best Pastoral Puppy winner
the show ring due to her size (despite people encouraging me to remain in the
ring due to her beautiful aesthetics & movement I did not see the point of
spending a day & possibly over a hundred pounds travelling to the other end
of the country just for her to measured and for a judge to say yet again “I am
sorry she is one of the best moving dogs in the class, but because of her size
she has to be last” … the exact comment relayed to my handler by a top SV judge
at her last show)
Over top-size as per UK
Producer of medium - top - over top size GSD dogs
Short coat that masks the long-coat gene
Ulla had her hips score under general
anaesthetic at 1 year & 8 months of age she did not have the same
passion for unprovoked jumping off things that Callie did which I believe went
in her favour)
Ulla was bred by
producing & Holder of the top kennel award at the Irish Seiger kennel (I
was informed that the judge had to check the pedigrees of the dogs before them,
as they could not get over how this kennel had managed to consistently
maintained its type & virtues when put to a wide verity of different males)
residing in Wales.
Ulla out and about in the snow early 2008
Ulla Was Bred From
Father: a SCH II German import who made CHAMPION STATUS
IN 3 SHOWS (the minimum needed).He is
the TOP STUD DOG FOR 2006 (51 points separated him and the reserve best stud
dog!) and he is the JOINT TOP STUD DOG FOR 2005.He is also the sire of a UK Champion who is the Top Winning GSD
Male 08, Top 3 Winning GSD 07 Male, Top Winning GSD Male 06, & Joint Top
Winning GSD Male 05.Ulla’s dad himself
was the son of a world Champion Double Seiger & Junior Seiger SCH III
holder & a Champion VA (G) SCH III mother (who have also produced world
Champions including another Double Seiger & Junior Seiger SCH III holder
& a UK Champion SCH III who is the UK’s Joint Top Dog 08 & Top Dog 07,
Mother: a Green Star winner (Ireland’s equivalent of the
UK’s CC’s that are needed to make a dog into a Champion) who is also a daughter
of 2 UK Champions who in turn have sired further Champions & Green Star
Generations of her pedigree there are
WORLD SEIGERS / SEIGER (including Youth Seiger) / RESERVE SEIGER / CH / VA
42 SCH / 9 FH / 1 IP3 awards
Ulla’s Champion SCH II father TOP STUD DOG FOR 2006 & the JOINT TOP STUD DOG FOR
Ulla’s World Champion
Double Seiger & Junior Seiger SCH III Grandfather
Ulla’s Champion ½ brother Top Winning GSD Male 08, Top 3 Winning GSD 07 Male,
Top Winning GSD Male 06, & Joint Top Winning GSD Male 05
Ulla’s World Champion
& Seiger SCH III Great-Grandfather whose year of birth is 1995
A puppy from Ulla’s 1stlitter
Ulla’s Champion SCH
III Uncle (her World Champion Double Seiger & Junior Seiger SCH III
Grandfather’s son) who is also the UK’s Joint Top Dog 08 & Top Dog 07 &
Crufts Reserve CC winner (our stud dog’s father was the CC winner at the same show)
We met Ulla's breeder at a breed CH show via my Great-Uncle whom loves the breed talking to him. The next time I met him was standing in front of him in a final line up at my first general CH show with my old English x UK obedience dual purpose line girl. I can recall that he said that although she was not a bad looking girl she was not the type of GSD that would ever consistently win at breed level. Knowing that the European type was the type to win at this level I agreed with him, and I was very interested when he mentioned that he had just had a litter born only the other day from a newly imported male which would be going to only a very few select females (he stated that his female was one of the lucky ones, but I later found out that dad was in fact to go onto become a popular and not a highly limited stud). He asked me if I wished to come visit the litter, and since we had travelled a long part of the journey already towards his house and had a tent packed in the car we decided why not.
We had a lovely trip to his house were Ulla's mum was in an inside kennel off his kitchen complete with both Ulla and her brother snuggled up against her. She was more than happy for us to look through the doorway at her puppies although being so young we of course did not go to touch them. We were already very very interested in learning more about Ulla on the basis of her kennel's success and set up. So her breeder gave us the name of her father so that I could research him to see if I wanted to have a puppy by him before confirming my full interest.
Upon seeing her father in a picture format and his pedigree I felt convinced that he would become a Champion (which he later did in a minimum of 3 shows which is the minimum shows that you need to win CC's at to become a CH) and I loved his pedigree as well as health status, etc. So I rang up and confirmed my interest in Ulla.
Throughout the weeks I kept in contact, and her breeder said it was only because I was good at keeping in contact that he considered allowing me to have her. He also said that I had to wait at first until she was 8 weeks of age, then 9 1/2, and then 12 1/2 before having her so that he could ensure that she was good enough to be a potential show girl. In reflection I believe that he did this in an attempt to see if she was in fact not too good to be let go (which is fair enough as an ethical breeder breeding for themselves always aims to retain the best).
However just before this point he confirmed that we could have her. He would not mention how much she was, and so I took a gamble and placed over a thousand pounds in a bag with a hope that it would be enough to purchase a GSD puppy in 2004 when a well bred puppy could be found for £500 - £600.
We slept over the night before near a beach so that we could give our other girl a stretch of her legs before visiting. Upon visiting we were shown a video of VA1 Yasko at the German Seiger, and given a photo album to flick through with all the pictures of Ulla's mum's side of her pedigree within it. He then brought Ulla out, and we saw what a lovely natured confident loving pup she was.
Her breeder stood her up & dismissed any concerns we had about certain areas that looked less than ideal (which unsurprisingly with experience gained watching puppies develop at a later date did not change) & he referred to how her Aunt had done well at the Seiger and how this puppy could have the potential to do the same (later on we discovered that the Seiger is not an easy venture at all).
He brought out another puppy who was going into co-ownership with another lady & at the time bar her size ironically Ulla looked a little nicer. Ironically I state as this puppy was Sonora who would later on go onto do very well.
The breeder asked us if we still wanted to her, and he said that she was such a nice puppy that they did not know how they were letting her go. They said as she was playing at our feet that one day they might consider having a puppy back from her. At the time I felt honoured that such a big name might consider coming to a newcomer in the breed to have a puppy from their choice of breeding.
I was also asked if it was OK if they sent her KC paperwork to the kennel club after I had taken her as they had not yet got around to doing it, and being a reputable name I of course saw no harm in it.
However when her paperwork came several months later this was in fact a ruse to trick us into something we had not agreed to. Her paperwork came with not only the normal restrictions, but a contract & the breeder's name as a joint KC owner. Upon inquiring we found out that we had to show her at our expense, hip and elbow score her at our expense, and then breed her at our expense to a stud dog of the breeder's choice at an age of the breeder's choice.
But at the time I decided to ignore this and concentrate on what a beautiful girl she was (I was still being given the allusion that she would go onto to win a lot by the breeder), and how the day just after picking her up she happily and confidently took everything in her stride at my local BAGSD club.
Ulla went onto several shows where she did well despite her to be improved upon areas that I first noticed in her as a puppy. She then became too big and so despite a lot of people saying in the breed I should continue to show her as she was such a good looking girl I did not see the point of spending all that time and money just to be placed at the back, because of her size alone (as judges were starting to say).
Ulla's hip and elbow score sheets came back over a month after x-raying her & them being BVA scored (13th January). Just after they came back she came into season (7th February), and so we informed her breeder that we now not only had her scores but she was in season. Her breeder at this point requested that we used an import who was the father of the female puppy that we had seen at their kennels when Ulla was but a tiny puppy. So we rang up the owner of the dog, they confirmed we could use him, and on day 7 of her season we took her on Valentine's day for her first encounter. She met him again on a second time, and a later ultra sound showed that we had been successful. The vet ironically predicted just a puppy or two, and another vet who saw her for a general check up the week before she gave birth thought around the same number. But Ulla had tucked them up and hidden them in the length of her lumber region and she went onto give birth to 9 beautiful puppies.
After their birth we were given more concern when her breeder informed us that as they were the breeder of her, her mother, and the lines behind her that they were in fact the breeder of this litter. Thus although they were happy for us to do all of the hard work and cover the expenses we would not even be allowed the honour of our new affix that we had proudly chosen and paid the kennel club for. They also informed us that the other home whom we had met at a show who was a lovely sweet lady had 'dared to challenge them about the costs of the litter' alongside falling in love with a puppy which they would decide to take from her if it was the best. They told me to find homes for all of the puppies bar 2 (a male and a female) as they would like to personally take either a male or female puppy home with them. They made 3 appointments in which I waited in and did not keep one of them whilst ignoring my phone calls when it was getting as late as 10pm at night to check if they were OK, still able to come. At one point I was imagining that I would have to take a boot full of puppies and 2 adult dogs to south Wales just to get him to see and select a puppy. But after missing these visits around the pup's 7th week birthday they told me that they would like me to keep all 9 of the puppies until they were 12 weeks of age so that they could come up then instead. When I told him I would loose my homes for the other pups & that it would make it harder to find a home for the puppy that they would not take they said something very rude and illegal in terms of the homes. I was shocked beyond words & I was starting to learn why some people can have such a bad experience in co-ownerships. However with me insisting that other breeders would not think his terms as being fair he agreed to come up as long as I gave him £63 which would no doubt cover his petrol.
He came up and choose a boy (he selected the boy which I thought was the best and seemed surprised that I could easily see who was the best due to my lack of personal breeding experience) & then informed me that I was not allowed to keep a puppy as that would mean I would have a pick of the litter and only he was allowed the pick of the litter (I can only guess he was covering his co-ownership homes 'hiding' pups from him or that he was simply being funny for the sake of it). He also took my signed KC litter registration paperwork (which he had so far not agreed to sign) and said he would send it off as he liked to write down his chosen names in his own hand. This then began the start of a nightmare of getting him to register the litter. When weeks after they had all left for their new homes he continued to ignore all correspondence (which was increased over time as it became apparent weeks after lesser attempts to get hold of him that he was ignoring me), a solicitor and the kennel club were unable to help me, and it was not until I got in contact with a CH breed judge to ask their advice that out of the blue he rang me less than a hour later. The pups were then registered & then upon receiving the paperwork I had the nightmare of getting him to sign the transfer of KC ownership paperwork into the home's names. The fact that the homes were informed of the situation beforehand and took a puppy on the understanding that the paperwork would take some time to get to them of course did not make me feel any less of a failure to do everything as perfect as I hoped it would be.
The long and up shot of it is I love Ulla to bits. She is a beautiful dog inside and out with a gorgeous pedigree and beautiful hip and elbows. However as much as I love her and her lines I would never ever buy another dog from her breeder or recommend them to anyone as a result of the above nightmare. In addition to this I have always been very disappointed and upset that this breeder never asked or inquired about Ulla both prior to and following her having this litter.
When I have told other people about this experience they have been shocked at how disgustingly we were treated. However as stated before this breeder is a very good breeder in terms of the breed ... just in our personal experience they were not a very good breeder in terms of their home.
So I would recommend that homes looked at her lines, but not at her breeder themselves unless they wish to risk following in our footsteps (although you never know I always live in hope that maybe in all of these years her breeder has changed their colours).
In her twilight years Ulla has been seen by Championship obedience judges who thought that she was trained enough to win out of several levels (with a slight tweak being needed for one level). However for Ulla as much as she adores her grub and ball there is no bigger pleasure than getting fussed and loved by people & I know that if she was in the competition ring and someone talked about her admiringly or looked her way she would run straight from her heel position into a sit position in front of said person before nudging them for a stroke.
has had her last litter & was spayed
We had2 litters from Ulla
(she had 3 litters in total as she had to have a litter for her
breeder & she had her 1st litter at 2 years of age)
litter contained 1 puppy which we retained (Ulla had this litter 2 years & 4 months after her 1st litter)
litter contained 4 puppies. The only female was long-coated & we retained 2 of these puppies & placed the 3rd in
co-ownership (Ulla had her last litter over a year after her 2nd litter)
We never tried to breed Ulla again & instead made a decision to have her spayed & to keep her until the tragic day that she would one day inevitably pass to rainbow bridge in her golden years.
Hips: A stamp normal
Hips: A stamp normal
Her Great- Grandfather
Hips: A stamp normal
Hips BVA: 10 Elbows: BVA 0
Hips: A stamp normal
Hips: A stamp normal
Hips: A stamp normal
Hips: A stamp normal
Hips: BVA 7
Hips BVA: 5
Hips BVA: 11
Hips BVA: 9
Hips BVA: 21
Hips BVA: 11
Hips BVA: 10
Ulla's hip & elbow pedigree
Hips & Elbows produced by Ulla's pedigree
(the off paper scores which the mother of the dogs who may NOT be related to Ulla etc will be influencing as well)
Ulla has no in-breeding in all 5 generations of her pedigree
Ulla has one line breed in her 5 generation pedigree: 5 - 4 VA7 Fedor Von Arminius
This means that her progeny will have NO line breeding on their dam's side of their pedigree
The kennel club states that Ulla's genetic coefficient value is: 3.6%
The dogs in Ulla's pedigree have not only been hip scored, but they have also had their progeny hip scored.
Usually you try to look for lots of good hips & elbows not only in a dog itself, but also within this dog's relatives that appear in it's 5 generation pedigree (for example the Grandparents, etc).
You can with care take this one step further by looking at the hip & elbow scores produced by dogs within a dog's pedigree that do NOT appear within that dog's 5 generation pedigree (for example the 1/2 sister of mum).
These hip scores can be influenced by the other parent who may NOT be related to your dog alongside this dog's environment etc.
Thus a home should take be especially cautious when analysing these scores, as they may not be as black & white as they first appear without also taking into consideration the 'missing' half of the pedigree.
Also as a general rule of thumb the more pups a dog has had the more likely they are to have produced higher hip scores at one point or the other, and this can be seen to be especially true within males who can have a lot more puppies than females (especially if they are a popular stud).
It is also unfortunately very common for even the cleanest of 5 generation hip pedigrees to show up higher hip or elbow scores when the hip & elbow scores that are produced by this dog's relatives are also taken into consideration.
Ulla's breeder deemed her so valuable that we had to purchase her alongside having a
litter for him in 2006 (she had 9 puppies for him), and the choice of the stud dog for this litter was made by Ulla's breeder (although we had to finance the litter & do all of the hard work related to it). The breeder deemed that this was his litter & that we were not allowed to retain a puppy, as only they were allowed a pick of this litter due to it being their litter.
Second litter (our 1st litter from Ulla)
Although we had free stud rights on 4 males including a German import whose father was a VA2 (CHN) & reserve Junior Seiger
(G) who had produced a German VA dog & whose mother had produced a British Seiger (who in turn has produced a British Champion) we instead decided to travel over 200 miles three times over a 6 day period to a SCH1 British Youth Seiger male that we had both researched and that had been highly recommended by several breed Championship judges that was not owned by ourselves .
Ulla was progesterone tested at a veterinary surgery with in hour / in house progesterone testing that was not our normal vets prior to taking her to dad to be every 2nd day from day 2 of her season (as she had caught last time on day 7 of her season) up until day 21 of her season. It turned
out to our horror that the receptionist was predicting the result (at over £40
per test!!!). Dad has litters of 10 to his name, and with a 9 to her name we think
that this explained her litter of 1 more than anything
Both ourselves & the owner of dad said that it was such a shame that she had not had more than 1 puppy. This is because dad had produced amazingly with Ulla in terms of replicating her attributes & improving the areas that she needed improving upon, but unfortunately the only puppy did not have her mother's upper arm placement or her depth of red pigmentation. If there had of been more than one puppy (which was no fault of dad as explained above) I believe that we could have had something VERY special. Unfortunately dad is no longer available for stud in this country & so we never had a chance to repeat this litter.
We kept & showed & hip & elbow scored & good citizen tested the only puppy in this litter.
before and during the time period in which she was first shown she went through
a real gangly phase.
combined with her temporarily ‘loosing’ her turn of stifle (as part of her
gangly phase), and 100% throwing her coat meant that she looked terrible.
This also combined with a serious injury (thanks to a forever home visiting and
releasing their over top-sized older dog when she was running around in the
garden resulting in her being thrown into the air, & screaming in pain
afterwards and for the days following her accident) that resulted in a x-ray
that showed that one of her ligaments had been seriously injured alongside
damage to one of her bones. Being so full of life she hated being crated
following her injury, and thus as soon as we safely could we allowed her to
lead a normal life … which usually involved her bouncing on 2 back legs or
using my sofa or bed as a trampoline.
that had seen her prior to her being entered in the show ring, as a puppy
recommended that we waited for everything to come back, and that we campaigned
her at a later date. Another top Championship judge echoed this
statement, and referred to her father who was slow to mature, but who once
matured went onto do well in the German show ring (as well as being crowned the
British Youth Seiger). We knew that the breeder of her mother’s lines had
previously stated that her lines were also very slow maturing and known to do
well at a later age. Some puppies that win a lot as puppies don’t go onto
do so as adults, and thus as frustrating as it is to lose out on puppy awards
this is not necessary a bad thing (personally I like to see pups grow slow and
steady, as I worry about the hips of GSDS that mature and grow very big
fast). However we made a decision to risk her being knocked for her
growing phase in favour of giving her SOME valuable ring experience.
We obviously made the right decision as this puppy went onto obtain several modest placements (including Group 2 wins, 1st place at Crufts, BOB, BPIB, 1st place, etc. wins).
Third litter (our 2nd litter from Ulla)
We hoped that for her 3rd litter that she would produce the same attributes that she had produced in her singleton, but with the additional bonus of this puppy having deep red pigmentation, and a better upper arm placement like her mother had.
We scoured the country for a male, and it was during a visit to a top Championship winning kennel that we met a very good looking male that was the pick of his litter & who had a pedigree to die for & whom we had been told had been x-rayed on his hips with a predicted score of below BVA total 10 to a maximum of BVA 10.
This male was one of the deepest red pigmented males in the country. His Champion & VA2 (I & B) V (G) SCH1 mother who had produced a Champion & 2 x British Youth Seiger class winners had been described as one of the best moving females of her time & she was also at the time one of the highest winning females in the UK to have had a litter to this male's father whom himself was a SCH3 German Seiger & Youth Seiger alongside being the BOB & CC winner at Crufts & Best In Show winner at the world show (etc.).
This male's father had been very successfully placed to Ulla's German Seiger Grandfather's lines, and I predicted that a dog of such a crossing could hold universal appeal. This feeling was later proven to be true by the later made up UK Champion & Crufts Group 1 & Crufts Group 3 & British Seiger & Vice British Seiger & 3 x Best in Show at General Championship level, 6 x Group 1, 3 x Group 2, 2 x Group 3 winning dog Elmo.
In addition to this Ulla's German Seiger Grandfather was the father of a very successful UK Champion whom had taken 2nd place at Crufts to this male's German Seiger father, and this same UK Champion's Grandfather was also the Grandfather to this male.
Which highlighted the ability of this male's German Seiger father's lines crossing well with Ulla's own father's lines, and the ability of this male's UK Champion's mother's lines to cross also with Ulla's own father's lines.
Although we would have loved to have owned this male for this sake alone as well as the possibilities that could be held via showing him we were also very interesting in obtaining him with the purpose of having a litter with him to Ulla (especially as there was a chance that he could be sold to a home that resided outside of the UK on the basis of his breeder's success & status, as well as his attributes & pedigree). For a costly sum (far more than a stud fee would have cost for Ulla) we
were able to purchase this male, and we went onto take him to a couple
of shows where he took BOB under breed Championship judges alongside hip
and elbow scoring & haemophilia testing him.
When he had his official hip & elbow & haemophilia status, and when we decided the time was right to have our second litter (her 3rd litter to be precise as she had to have her 1st litter for her breeder) from Ulla we once again scoured the country to ensure that he was still our choice as a dad to be, and as he was we had our last litter from him from Ulla.
Unfortunately the only female in the litter was long-coated.
She had inherited her mother & father's beautiful depth of red pigmentation alongside a sufficient turn of stifle & moderate none exaggerated top-line (which we had previously seen produced by both her mother, her father & his parents in turn). She also had her mother's upper arm placement (which we had been hoping for) & she had beautiful shaped feet which we suspect her father had helped to produce.
However although her mother & her father's parents had been seen to produce correct sized GSD dogs as per the breed standard she herself like her mother & father in turn is over top-sized as per the breed standard. Also although I could tell that she was her mother's child in her face her overall look including ear set reminded me more of her father, and she could have also had a better croup set which was typical of both of her parents.
However all in all I was very happy with how her. Her father had produced the two attributes I was hoping to replicate from her mother & hopefully stack the odds in favour of her replicating further down the line whilst reducing the need for her mother to have any more than 2 litters for us (even if they were but a litter of 1 & a litter of 4 totalling a smaller than average normal litter size for a dog from this breed when at the time the kennel club would allow a maximum of 6 litters per female) alongside fixing one small area that needed to be improved upon in her mother. This female had a very good hip & elbow score, and there was a chance that if placed to a male that she 'mixed' well with that she would replicate a smaller version of herself.
We also covered all costs for her litter brother, and we gave a home a 3rd puppy in co-ownership with a promise to cover certain costs if we were to decide to show (etc. him). However although the male was a nice example of the breed (including inheriting his parents depth of pigmentation) he found showing very boring, and so although he got a couple of modest placements alongside proving his very good hip status we decided to no longer show him.
A GSD female can commonly have 8 - 9 puppies in a litter, and as many as 13 +. Ulla only produced 5 puppies for me of which there were 2 females (1 long-coated & 1 short-coated) of which only 1 female could be shown due to their coats. Despite this she proved in these puppies her capabilities to produce better than herself / puppies that could win in confirmation shows. But the reality was due to the numbers & coats of these females the odds were not stacked in her or my own favours to prove to the world what good genes she contained.
Having said this when you consider that Ulla only produced 1 short-coated female for us I would hope that you would agree that we were very lucky to have her as our foundation brood bitch not only on the basis of this female's achievements but also on the basis of the attributes both she and her none shown long-coated 1/2 sister have.
Ulla's daughter (whom we own):
Multiple Gold & Silver & Bronze KC good citizen holders
Crufts 1st place winner
Multiple Group 2 winner
Multiple BOB winner
Multiple BPIB winner
Multiple VP & VG graded
Ulla's son whom we owned who was shown very lightly:
Ulla's daughter that we do not own whom we deemed had the lowest working & show potential:
KC bronze & silver KC good citizen holder
4th place (13 entered) at CH level with CC on offer
(temporarily held the 1st position, but a spay that week resulted in
her not wishing to stride out, and her lack of movement resulted in her
demotion) in an entry of 7 at a breed open show (including temporarily being in
front of one dog who has a placement at the German Seiger)
at a WALCSS level
also stated that she had the potential to do well at working trials (but she
decided that this was not the sport for her), as in her first class she:
went over the scale, sat, and when commanded to came back again combined with
Ulla's daughter that we do not own:
& silver KC good citizen award
confirmation shows in America
completed an agility-training programme (walking through a ladder backwards
without touching the rugs, walking around a barrel with her paws upon the top
of it, and weaving, etc.
& promise in her SCH training
Ulla’s pups that was in co-ownership (we never bred from this dog):
an owners most intelligent dog ever, and unbeknown to us at the time they successfully
trained it in personal protection.
Ulla’s pups that we do not own:
certificates at her local training club in combination with regularly being
chosen as the top puppy within the class & test
Ulla's Grandchildren (we own 3 of her Grandchildren) include:
6 x 1st place winners
BOB & BPIB & Group placement winners
Multiple Bronze & Silver & Gold KC good citizen holders